Legislature(2023 - 2024)ADAMS 519

02/27/2023 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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01:38:32 PM Start
01:38:39 PM Consideration of Governor's Appointees: Adam Crum, Commissioner, Department of Revenue
02:16:36 PM Overview: Fy 2024 Budget Overview: Department of Transportation and Public Facilities
03:32:36 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ Consideration of Governor’s Appointees: TELECONFERENCED
- Commissioner-Designee Adam Crum, Department of
Revenue
+= HB 39 APPROP: OPERATING BUDGET/LOANS/FUND; SUPP TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+= HB 41 APPROP: MENTAL HEALTH BUDGET TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Overview: FY 2024 Budget by Commissioner Ryan TELECONFERENCED
Anderson; Katherine Keith, Deputy Commissioner;
John Binder, Deputy Commissioner; and
Dom Pannone, Administrative Services Director,
Department of Transportation & Public Facilities
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
HOUSE BILL NO. 41                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations for  the operating  and                                                                    
     capital    expenses   of    the   state's    integrated                                                                    
     comprehensive mental health  program; and providing for                                                                    
     an effective date."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
^CONSIDERATION   OF   GOVERNOR'S  APPOINTEES:   ADAM   CRUM,                                                                  
COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:38:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson reviewed the meeting's agenda.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:39:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Adam Crum,  Commissioner, Department of  Revenue, introduced                                                                    
himself.  He  offered a  brief  history  of his  background,                                                                    
education,  and his  vision for  the  Department of  Revenue                                                                    
(DOR). He  thanked the committee  for the hearing.  He spoke                                                                    
from prepared remarks:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     I'd like to give you  a brief history of my background,                                                                    
     education,  work   history,  and  my  vision   for  the                                                                    
     Department of Revenue.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     I was born and raised  in Alaska, one of five siblings.                                                                    
     Growing  up in  a cabin  in  the small  town of  Anchor                                                                    
     Point,  which  allowed  for a  life  outdoors  fishing,                                                                    
     camping, hiking,  and hunting.  I graduated  from Homer                                                                    
     High   School   as   valedictorian,   then   earned   a                                                                    
     scholarship   to   play    football   at   Northwestern                                                                    
     University.  I graduated  with a  bachelor's degree  in                                                                    
     psychology  with a  focus in  pre-med. After  college I                                                                    
     returned  home  to Alaska  and  started  working at  my                                                                    
     family company as a safety  professional and trainer on                                                                    
     projects around  the state. This  allowed me  to travel                                                                    
     and see all  regions of Alaska, with  extensive time in                                                                    
     the  villages across  the North  Slope.  To further  my                                                                    
     career,  I  pursued  an   advanced  degree  from  Johns                                                                    
     Hopkins  University,   graduating  with  a   Master  of                                                                    
     Science in Public Health.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     My  diverse  educational  and  professional  background                                                                    
     allowed me  to work  as a  consultant and  project lead                                                                    
     for  large oil  and gas  companies, pipeline  companies                                                                    
     and   transportation  companies.   Some  of   the  work                                                                    
     performed      includes     contract      negotiations,                                                                    
     organizational development,  leadership development and                                                                    
     risk management.  Almost a decade ago,  my siblings and                                                                    
     I purchased  the family  company and  have grown  it to                                                                    
     include  a  commercial  construction company  and  many                                                                    
     commercial real estate  holdings. Being an entrepreneur                                                                    
     with a  diverse portfolio provides  a lot of  very real                                                                    
     experience with  banking, real estate  investments, and                                                                    
     corporate finance.  You have  to learn  in a  hurry all                                                                    
     the   nuances   of   procurement,   grants,   corporate                                                                    
     governance,  and  all  the  other  aspects  of  running                                                                    
     businesses. From  this background, I have  been able to                                                                    
     develop organization  and strategic  expertise, putting                                                                    
     together a history of  developing high performing teams                                                                    
     and a positive culture.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     I was  able to  bring these skills  to bear  four years                                                                    
     ago,   when   Governor   Dunleavy   appointed   me   as                                                                    
     Commissioner for  the Department  of Health  and Social                                                                    
     Services  (DHSS), the  largest department  by positions                                                                    
     and budget. Suffice to say,  my tenure at DHSS was not                                                                     
     routine.  Less  than a  month  into  the role  we  were                                                                    
     notified   by   federal   partners  that   the   Alaska                                                                    
     Psychiatric Institute  (API) was at risk  of losing its                                                                    
     authority  to  operate  as  a   hospital,  so  we  took                                                                    
     immediate   measures   by    bringing   in   management                                                                    
     consultants  to   stabilize  the  situation.   We  were                                                                    
     granted leave  to continue operating, and  with focused                                                                    
     efforts from  API staff and management,  they have been                                                                    
     able to grow  their census count to levels  not seen in                                                                    
     years and have had  multiple successful site surveys by                                                                    
     accrediting organizations.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Then,  in  early  2020,  we  were  hit  with  a  global                                                                    
     pandemic.  The next  2.5 years  of ALL  our lives  were                                                                    
     wrapped  up in  dealing  with COVID-19  and its  after-                                                                    
     effects:  supply chain  disruption, great  resignation,                                                                    
     long-covid,  rampant inflation,  and economic  turmoil.                                                                    
     Looking back on the pandemic,  I am beyond proud at how                                                                    
     Alaska responded as  a State and as a  people. From its                                                                    
     inception, Governor  Dunleavy stressed  partnership and                                                                    
     clear   communication,  and   I  feel   like  we   were                                                                    
     successful when you gauge how  Alaska fared in relation                                                                    
     to other  states in a  multitude of  health statistics.                                                                    
     The  level of  responsibility that  fell to  the health                                                                    
     department  was unprecedented,  and we  took our  roles                                                                    
     seriously. Some examples:  Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and                                                                    
     Economic Security  (CARES) Act funding -  this was sent                                                                    
     to  states with  very little  guidance from  the United                                                                    
     States  (US)  Treasury.  But  we  were  deliberate  and                                                                    
     labored   to  create   a   defensible,  fair   program,                                                                    
     partnering  with many  community  groups,  such as  the                                                                    
     Alaska Community Foundation to  help payout $50 million                                                                    
     in  relief to  non-profits  across  all sectors.  Funds                                                                    
     were used  also for direct hospital  and clinic relief,                                                                    
     to purchase  testing equipment and  Personal Protective                                                                    
     Equipment (PPE), and to pay  for modified operations at                                                                    
     state agencies. In just over  a year, we disbursed $500                                                                    
     million  in CARES  relief funding.  We also  set up  an                                                                    
     airport  testing program  that was  first in  the world                                                                    
     and  did it  in just  over  a weeks   time, it  ensured                                                                    
     safety  to   Alaskans  while  supporting   our  tourism                                                                    
     economy.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     He also worked with cruise  ships to get them returning                                                                    
     to Alaska in  2021. This was a  coordinated effort with                                                                    
     our  federal delegation  to get  temporary federal  law                                                                    
     changed to  allow cruise ships  to come to  Alaska, and                                                                    
     then a  focused effort from Health  and state Emergency                                                                    
     Management  to develop  safety plans,  communicate with                                                                    
     local  communities,  and negotiate  with  international                                                                    
     cruise lines on responsibilities.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     In the midst  of this was an earnest  and robust effort                                                                    
     to  reorganize  the  Department of  Health  and  Social                                                                    
     Services  so  it  could work  on  system  redesigns  to                                                                    
     better  serve Alaskans.  It took  two Executive  Orders                                                                    
     and one full year  of extensive, exhaustive stakeholder                                                                    
     outreach,  but  in July  2022,  we  were successful  in                                                                    
     splitting DHSS  into the  two departments    Department                                                                    
     of  Health  and  Department  of  Family  and  Community                                                                    
     Services.   This   was   the   largest   organizational                                                                    
     structure  change for  state  government  in almost  40                                                                    
     years.  The  primary purpose  of  this  was to  have  a                                                                    
     narrower focus  and span of control  so systemic issues                                                                    
     can  be  addressed  and programs  revamped  for  better                                                                    
     service delivery.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     All  of this  leads to  where I  am now,  Commissioner-                                                                    
     designee for the Department  of Revenue. The department                                                                    
     has  had quite  a  bit of  change  at the  commissioner                                                                    
     position  for the  past 6  years, this  culminated this                                                                    
     past  fall  when  Governor Dunleavy  was  going  to  be                                                                    
     without a named revenue  commissioner one day after the                                                                    
     November  election.  He  didn't wish  to  name  another                                                                    
     interim that only  lasted until the end of  the term in                                                                    
     December. He  wanted this  critical department  to have                                                                    
     stability  in leadership,  and he  wanted someone  that                                                                    
     could step in  on short notice and  succeed. Based upon                                                                    
     our level  of trust and  my track record,  the Governor                                                                    
     offered me the  position. What I bring to  this role is                                                                    
     stability and  managerial expertise.  And I  also bring                                                                    
     credibility, both with  the public and I  hope with the                                                                    
     legislature. I also bring aptitude  and adeptness   the                                                                    
     ability  to rapidly  learn and  employ knowledge.  I've                                                                    
     demonstrated  the  capacity   to  learn  the  necessary                                                                    
     skills  of  any  role  in   order  to  hire  the  right                                                                    
     personnel and put them in  position to succeed. This is                                                                    
     evident by the statewide awards  presented to me by the                                                                    
     Alaska Chamber  of Commerce  and Commonwealth  North in                                                                    
     2021.   These  awards   are   a   recognition  of   the                                                                    
     responsive,  hard-working organization  I  was able  to                                                                    
     build at Health, and all the great work the staff did.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     The Department of Revenue plays  a critical role in our                                                                    
     state by taking primarily  role in collecting taxes and                                                                    
     revenue  that  help  fund state  government,  investing                                                                    
     billions of  state funds, determining  eligibility, and                                                                    
     administering   the   Permanent  Fund   Dividend,   and                                                                    
     enforcing  and managing  child support.  The department                                                                    
     is lucky to have a  lot of experienced, dedicated staff                                                                    
     that  are very  good at  their jobs.  Treasury Division                                                                    
     has a long-tenured, well-respected  director and a high                                                                    
     performing  chief investment  officer. The  Division of                                                                    
     Tax  has experienced,  brilliant staff  that administer                                                                    
     our complex programs. The list  goes on. It's my job to                                                                    
     support  and  enable  these teams  to  perform  at  the                                                                    
     highest level possible for Alaskans.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:47:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
In the role  of Commissioner of Revenue, I  am the fiduciary                                                                    
of nearly $9 billion. This  is a legal requirement to manage                                                                    
the  funds  for  the  maximum  benefits  of  Alaskans.  This                                                                    
entails  regular investment  review and  risk meetings  with                                                                    
our qualified  staff, advisors and consultants,  and sharing                                                                    
this  info with  the public  and the  legislature. Also,  in                                                                    
this  role I  sit on  the boards  of Alaska  Housing Finance                                                                    
Corporation,  Alaska   Industrial  Development   and  Export                                                                    
Authority,  Alaska  Municipal  Bond Bank  Authority,  Alaska                                                                    
Retirement  Management  Board,  and  as a  trustee  for  the                                                                    
Alaska  Permanent Fund  Corporation. Combined,  these groups                                                                    
manage and invest over $100 billion.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
My  vision   is  to  have   a  renewed  focus   on  economic                                                                    
development for  the department. Governor Dunleavy  has made                                                                    
this a key  focus of his second term and  has instructed all                                                                    
of  the executive  branch to  work together  on diversifying                                                                    
our  economic base  and finding  ways to  bring more  people                                                                    
into  the  state.   My  goal  is  to  use   my  position  as                                                                    
Commissioner of Revenue to work  on this by supporting local                                                                    
community economic development by  sharing the knowledge and                                                                    
resources we  have at Revenue and  by building relationships                                                                    
and  connecting  with  investment  banks,  financial  firms,                                                                    
credit  rating agencies  and industry  leaders  to sell  the                                                                    
story  of Alaska.  I continue  to serve  because I  love and                                                                    
believe in this  state. I want my daughter  and all Alaskans                                                                    
to  have  amazing opportunities  to  thrive  and enjoy  this                                                                    
beautiful place, well into the future.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:48:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Coulombe  asked for  his view of  the biggest                                                                    
challenge in DNR  and how he would  correct it. Commissioner                                                                    
Crum  responded that  the biggest  challenges were  ensuring                                                                    
that  the  department had  the  right  risk profile  in  its                                                                    
investment asset  allocation and cybersecurity.  He believed                                                                    
that the  global economic market  was in disarray  and spoke                                                                    
to the Federal Reserve  raising interest rates. He addressed                                                                    
the states   perspective from looking at  the Permanent Fund                                                                    
(PF) and Treasury investments  and compared their benchmarks                                                                    
to active management, which  mitigated prospected losses. He                                                                    
observed  that  managing  the states   assets  warranted  an                                                                    
active  review process.  The department  recently formalized                                                                    
its review  process and engaged in  quarterly meetings using                                                                    
third  party consultants  to seek  advice on  its investment                                                                    
strategy. The meetings were open to the public.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
He continued  by emphasizing  that protecting  Alaskans from                                                                    
cybersecurity  attacks   was  critical.  He   discussed  the                                                                    
crucial importance of protecting  Alaskans  personal data as                                                                    
well as  corporate taxpayer information. He  shared that DOR                                                                    
carried  out  ongoing  assessments, employed  a  chief  risk                                                                    
officer  and were  looking to  implement an  enterprise risk                                                                    
management  system. Cybersecurity  was  an ongoing  process,                                                                    
and  it was  necessary to  remain one  step ahead  to ensure                                                                    
data was protected.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:50:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Hannan  relayed   that  she   had  informed                                                                    
Commission  Crum  that  she  would  ask  him  the  following                                                                    
question on  the record. She  expressed concern that  he was                                                                    
the  head  of a  prior  department  [formerly Department  of                                                                    
Health  and  Social  Services  (DHSS)]   that  was  left  in                                                                    
 shambles  which affected the  most vulnerable in the state.                                                                    
Her  constituents  had  warned   against  leaving  the  most                                                                    
vulnerable behind  as the department  was divided  into two.                                                                    
She recounted  that the  department suffered  a cyber-attack                                                                    
and  knew  with  the  emergency  order  [COVID-10]  expiring                                                                    
recipients  would need  redetermination and  re-eligibility,                                                                    
yet  82,000   Alaskans  were  left  without   food  benefits                                                                    
[Supplemental  Nutrition   Assistance  Program  (SNAP)]since                                                                    
October  of  2022.  She  asserted  that  it  happened  under                                                                    
Commissioner Crums   leadership. She did not  see leadership                                                                    
when the issues  became a crisis and  reminded the committee                                                                    
that the issues were known  ahead of time. She was concerned                                                                    
that Commissioner  Crum was in  charge of the  states  money                                                                    
as commissioner designee of DOR.                                                                                                
Commissioner  Crum  answered  that  he  had  not  taken  the                                                                    
situation  lightly. He  related that  DHSS had   at any  one                                                                    
time five burning  fires  and it was  difficult to determine                                                                    
where  to offer  attention.  He listed  programs and  stated                                                                    
that every departmental  program served vulnerable Alaskans.                                                                    
He  spoke  to  the   limited leadership  structure   of  the                                                                    
department  versus the  obligations of  the department  that                                                                    
were many, demanding, and constant,  which was the  norm  at                                                                    
the best of times. He indicated  that piled on top of all of                                                                    
the already existing difficulties,  the cyber-attack and the                                                                    
pandemic  exacerbated  everything.   Billions  more  federal                                                                    
dollars flowed  through the department creating  a number of                                                                    
new  programs the  department had  to administer  on top  of                                                                    
existing programs.  Some of the emergency  programs expanded                                                                    
eligibility like  the emergency allotment SNAP  benefits and                                                                    
some entries had to be  manually entered on a monthly basis.                                                                    
He reported that one of  the benefits of the Executive Order                                                                    
[Executive  Order 121,  issued January  18, 2022,  effective                                                                    
July  1,  2022] that  restructured  the  department was  the                                                                    
acknowledgement that  there was  never fully  ever since the                                                                    
history of  DHSS got  to the point  where we  had manageable                                                                    
fires.   He   spoke  to  the   structure  of  the   two  new                                                                    
departments;   the  Department   of  Family   and  Community                                                                    
Services was  facilities based  like the  Alaska Psychiatric                                                                    
Institute (API) and Pioneer Homes,  versus the Department of                                                                    
Health  housing  Medicaid,  Public  Assistance,  and  Public                                                                    
Health. He added that  the  department knew there were holes                                                                    
in  the  system   but  underestimated   the  extent  of  the                                                                    
problems  in the  Division of  Public  Assistance (DPA).  He                                                                    
relayed  prior   efforts  like   big   technology  upgrades,                                                                    
electronic document management,  virtual call centers,  etc.                                                                    
He  believed  that   situations  coalesced  around  stressed                                                                    
staff,  the expiring  emergency health  order, the  oncoming                                                                    
Medicaid  redetermination and  a   perfect  storm of  events                                                                    
hit.  He stated  that there was currently  a  renewed focus                                                                     
by  the governors   office and  Commissioner Heidi  Hedberg,                                                                    
(Commissioner, Department  of Health). He  felt  bad for all                                                                    
of the  Alaskans that  were left in  the lurch   and thanked                                                                    
all of  the advocates and stakeholders  that were continuing                                                                    
to support the individuals left without benefits.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:55:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson asked about  an issue that occurred                                                                    
with  Commissioner  Crum's predecessor  [prior  Commissioner                                                                    
Lucinda  Mahoney,  Department  of  Revenue,  2020-2022].  He                                                                    
recounted that  Commissioner Crum's predecessor  proposed on                                                                    
behalf of  the Governor,  that the Earnings  Reserve Account                                                                    
(ERA)  be overdrawn  one time  by  $3 billion  and that  the                                                                    
overdraw would not affect future  balances. He had disagreed                                                                    
with the  policy call. He  noted that the  Commissioner also                                                                    
sat on  the Board of  Trustees of the Alaska  Permanent Fund                                                                    
Corporation (APFC)  and felt that  it was  odd   because the                                                                    
APFC did  not endorse  an overdraw.  He pointed  to repeated                                                                    
resolutions by  APFC trustees resolving not  to overdraw the                                                                    
fund.  He wondered  how the  prior Commissioner  managed the                                                                    
situation of  holding opposite policy positions  and thought                                                                    
it  was problematic.  He asked  how Commissioner  Crum would                                                                    
have  handled  the  situation. Commissioner  Crum  responded                                                                    
that the  legal counsel of  the Department of Law  (DOL) and                                                                    
the APFC had done a  great job  of explaining the importance                                                                    
of fiduciary  status  and the  important role of  the person                                                                    
acting  in a  fiduciary  capacity. He  explained  that as  a                                                                    
trustee  of APFC  he acted  as a  fiduciary. He  weighed the                                                                    
goal  of management  for the  best health  of the  fund. The                                                                    
trustees made  resolutions regarding  what was best  for the                                                                    
fund's health based on advice  from consultants and the risk                                                                    
perspective.  He  felt that  policy  calls  in the  role  of                                                                    
Commissioner,  working  for  the executive  branch,  changes                                                                    
things and it was a   difficult position  he hoped to avoid.                                                                    
Representative Josephson hoped  that Commissioner Crum could                                                                    
avoid  the  situation  and  commented   that  it  seemed  an                                                                    
impossible situation.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:59:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  thanked  him for  his  service.  She                                                                    
asked  about  the  states   credit  rating.  She  knew  that                                                                    
historically  the state  earned  a high  credit rating.  She                                                                    
inquired  if there  was  anything  further the  Commissioner                                                                    
could  do   regarding  credit  ratings.   Commissioner  Crum                                                                    
answered that the credit rating  involved  selling the story                                                                    
of  the state.   He shared  that he  was looking  forward to                                                                    
engaging  with  credit rating  agencies  in   a more  robust                                                                    
manner.  He delineated that he  had initial discussions with                                                                    
the rating  agencies, which affected  two ratings:  one from                                                                    
negative to stable  and one from stable to  positive. He had                                                                    
a robust plan  to travel to New York and  meet with multiple                                                                    
credit rating agencies to discuss  the overall status of the                                                                    
state and  how to  move forward.  He opined  that it  was an                                                                    
intriguing  process to  engage in  business development  for                                                                    
the state.  He relayed  to the  credit rating  agencies what                                                                    
the  state  was  working  on  in the  areas  of  policy  and                                                                    
regulatory  and statutory  authority. He  remarked that  the                                                                    
carbon credits  were an  intriguing prospect   to the rating                                                                    
agencies  because  they like  the  idea  of state  sponsored                                                                    
carbon programs  and it had a   new revenue diversification                                                                     
aspect.  He  indicated  that   the  credit  rating  agencies                                                                    
favored the  growth in the  percent of market  value (POMV),                                                                    
which would be a greater  share in the coming years  revenue                                                                    
because it  was a stable  revenue source. He  concluded that                                                                    
anything DOR could do to  bring stability helped the overall                                                                    
prospects  of  the  states   ability  to  borrow  money.  He                                                                    
perceived that the states  ability  to borrow money played a                                                                    
role  in whether  private industries   banks felt  secure to                                                                    
invest in  projects. He  recognized his  Deputy Commissioner                                                                    
[Fadil Limani,  Deputy Commissioner, Department  of Revenue]                                                                    
and valued his years of investment experience.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:03:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Tomaszewski   appreciated   that   economic                                                                    
development  was one  of the  Commissioners  priorities.  He                                                                    
asked  if  he  could   list  one  priority  within  economic                                                                    
development the Commissioner intended to focus on.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Crum  spoke about  the outmigration  problem in                                                                    
the state. He wanted to  find ways to mitigate the situation                                                                    
based  on economic  opportunity and  sufficient housing.  He                                                                    
announced  that  he sat  on  the  boards of  Alaska  Housing                                                                    
Finance  Corporation   (AHFC)  and  the   Alaska  Industrial                                                                    
Development and  Export Authority  (AIDEA) and  relayed that                                                                    
housing was an item that  was being addressed by both bodies                                                                    
and between  the Department of Natural  Resources (DNR), the                                                                    
Department of  Commerce, Community and  Economic Development                                                                    
(DCCED),  and the  Department of  Environmental Conservation                                                                    
(DEC).  He  spoke to  areas  in  Fairbanks that  experienced                                                                    
legacy  spills and  they were  looking into  what the  state                                                                    
could  do to  help with  environmental clean  up to  make it                                                                    
affordable  for developers  to build  housing. The  approach                                                                    
was  multi-faceted in  meeting  the needs  of inventory  and                                                                    
access to  capital and what  could be done across  the board                                                                    
to help grow the state.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:05:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Cronk   thanked   Commissioner   Crum.   He                                                                    
appreciated that  he answered tough  questions. Commissioner                                                                    
Crum  replied  that the  job  required  offensive skills  to                                                                    
handle criticism and make sure his actions were correct.                                                                        
2:06:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson asked  about how he was  leaving the former                                                                    
Department  of Health  and Social  Services  behind and  the                                                                    
 hands he  was leaving the  department in  and how  he could                                                                    
help as  a member  of the administration.  Commissioner Crum                                                                    
replied that  he had hired  new people before he  left DHSS,                                                                    
and  a number  of the  leadership team  were still  in place                                                                    
addressing   the   issues.   He  stressed   the   value   of                                                                    
relationships  and partnerships  that were  developed during                                                                    
the  COVID 19  Emergency that  were still  in place  to help                                                                    
with the transition.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:08:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson OPENED public testimony.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:08:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson CLOSED public testimony.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:09:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Edgmon   MOVED   to  forward   the   commissioner                                                                    
designee's name to a joint session.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:10:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson the motion The MOTION PASSED unanimously.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:10:24 PM                                                                                                                    
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2:16:08 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW:   FY   2024   BUDGET  OVERVIEW:   Department   of                                                                  
Transportation and Public Facilities                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:16:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ryan  Anderson, Commissioner,  Department of  Transportation                                                                    
and Public Facilities, introduced  himself and his staff. He                                                                    
began  a  PowerPoint   presentation  "Alaska  Department  of                                                                    
Transportation  and  Public  Facilities: FY  2024  Operating                                                                    
Budget Overview,"  dated February  27, 2023 (copy  on file).                                                                    
He  commented   that  the   operating  budget   enabled  the                                                                    
department  to   get  the  work   done   and  supported  the                                                                    
administration  staff.  The  mission of  the  Department  of                                                                    
Transportation  and Public  Facilities  (DOT)  was to   keep                                                                    
Alaska  moving.   He wanted  the  department  to be  modern,                                                                    
resilient,   and  adaptable   in  the   changing  world   of                                                                    
transportation. He  focused on  safety and taking  good care                                                                    
of  the states   infrastructure. He  considered things  like                                                                    
economic  vitality,   resiliency,  and   sustainability.  He                                                                    
wanted  to achieve  efficiency  in  the states   multi-modal                                                                    
transportation system.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Anderson  began  on  slide  2  titled   DOT&PF                                                                    
Organization:                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     14 Divisions:                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Commissioner's Office                                                                                                      
     Administrative Services Division                                                                                           
     Northern Region                                                                                                            
     Central Region                                                                                                             
     Southcoast Region                                                                                                          
     Program Development & Statewide Planning                                                                                   
     Statewide Design & Engineering Services                                                                                    
     Alaska Marine Highway                                                                                                      
     Measurement Standards & Commercial Vehicle Compliance                                                                      
     Statewide Aviation                                                                                                         
     Statewide Equipment Fleet                                                                                                  
     Facilities Services                                                                                                        
     Anchorage International Airport                                                                                            
     Fairbanks International Airport                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson spoke to  the 14 divisions within DOT.                                                                    
He  pointed to  the  three regions  and  explained that  was                                                                    
where DOTs   planning, construction,  design, infrastructure                                                                    
projects,  and  maintenance   and  operations  happened.  He                                                                    
mentioned the  services provided to other  departments, such                                                                    
as the statewide equipment  fleet, facilities services, etc.                                                                    
He  highlighted support  services  like program  development                                                                    
and   statewide   design   and  engineering   services.   He                                                                    
communicated that  the goal was  to think  of DOT as  a team                                                                    
despite  there being  many different  divisions. He  thought                                                                    
there had  been success in  achieving a team  approach. Each                                                                    
one of the  divisions reports either to  the Commissioner or                                                                    
one of the other two deputy commissioners.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:20:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DOM  PANNONE, ADMINISTRATIVE  SERVICES DIRECTOR,  DEPARTMENT                                                                    
OF TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC  FACILITIES, continued on slide                                                                    
3  titled   DOT&PF  Structure    and  spoke  to  the  budget                                                                    
structure.  He  explained  that the  departments   operating                                                                    
budget  was  complex and  there  were  19 fund  sources.  He                                                                    
pointed to  the 7 budgets  areas listed on the  slide called                                                                    
 Results Delivery  Units  (RDU). In addition,  there were 52                                                                    
discreet  budgetary components  each with  its own  personal                                                                    
services,  travel, contractual,  and commodities  lines. The                                                                    
presentation focused  on the seven RDUs:  Administration and                                                                    
Support,  Design, Engineering  and Construction,  Facilities                                                                    
Services,  State  Equipment  Fleet, Highways,  Aviation  and                                                                    
Facilities,  International  Airports,   and  Marine  Highway                                                                    
System.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:21:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson continued on slide 4 titled DOT&PF                                                                        
Services:                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Services of Department                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
          Modernizing Alaska's Infrastructure:                                                                                  
          Project Delivery                                                                                                      
          Obtain Right of Way                                                                                                   
          Project Design                                                                                                        
          Utilities Identification & Coordination                                                                               
          Environmental Permitting                                                                                              
          Advertise for Bids                                                                                                    
          Construction Administration                                                                                           
          Project Close Out                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
          Operating Alaska's Infrastructure:                                                                                    
          Traffic Signal Management                                                                                             
          Assure Functional Traffic                                                                                             
          Timing Optimization & Adjustment                                                                                      
          Snow & Ice Management                                                                                                 
          Removal of Snow                                                                                                       
          Application of Traction Aides                                                                                         
          Avalanche Mitigation                                                                                                  
          Traffic Operations                                                                                                    
          Responding to Illumination Outages                                                                                    
          Surface Marking                                                                                                       
          Surface Sweeping                                                                                                      
          Visibility Management                                                                                                 
          Provide Travel Information to Drivers/Public                                                                          
          Operate Certificated Airports                                                                                         
          Rural Airport Safety and Security                                                                                     
          Wayside Maintenance & Management                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
          Preserve Alaska's Infrastructure:                                                                                     
          Abandoned Vehicle Removal                                                                                             
          Infrastructure Repair                                                                                                 
          Incident and Disaster Response                                                                                        
         Routine Preservation (signage, lighting,                                                                               
         guardrail replacement, drainage, pothole                                                                               
          repair, lighting repair, brush-cutting)                                                                               
          Bridge Inspection & Preservation                                                                                      
          Regulatory Compliance                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
          Providing Transportation Services:                                                                                    
          Alaska Marine Highway System                                                                                          
          Anchorage International Airport                                                                                       
          Fairbanks International Airport                                                                                       
          Airline Terminal Facilities & Services                                                                                
          Airport Concessions                                                                                                   
          Airport Parking                                                                                                       
          Business Marketing and Acquisition                                                                                    
          Passenger Services                                                                                                    
          Rural Airport Leasing                                                                                                 
          Whittier Tunnel Operation                                                                                             
          Commercial Permitting                                                                                                 
          Measurement Device Certification                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
          Shared Services:                                                                                                      
          Statewide Equipment Fleet                                                                                             
          Division of Facilities Services                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner    Anderson    cited    Modernizing    Alaska's                                                                    
Infrastructure  and noted  that much  of it  was focused  on                                                                    
project delivery. He discussed all  of the ways DOT operated                                                                    
Alaska's  infrastructure listed  on  the slide.  He   stated                                                                    
that preserving Alaska's infrastructure  was a large service                                                                    
and  reported  that  abandoned vehicle  removal  was  a  new                                                                    
function  intended to  keep the  states  right  of ways  and                                                                    
other  areas   clean  and   clear.  He   highlighted  Bridge                                                                    
Inspection and  Preservation and indicated that  every state                                                                    
bridge was inspected every two years.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:23:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Tomaszewski   asked  about  the   Manh  Choh                                                                    
Project  [Gold Mine,  TOK, Alaska].  He  had heard  concerns                                                                    
raised.  He was  aware the  department had  a Transportation                                                                    
Advisory Committee  and applauded DOTs  outreach  in working                                                                    
with the  people of the area.  He wondered what the  cost to                                                                    
the  state  would  be regarding  the  project.  Commissioner                                                                    
Anderson  responded that  the  department  was tackling  the                                                                    
question internally as well as  with the advisory committee.                                                                    
He  was considering  and calculating  the daily  maintenance                                                                    
and increased costs  of the highway due to  road repair from                                                                    
increased traffic,  anticipated increase in  maintenance for                                                                    
things  like snow  removal, etc.  He noted  that the  public                                                                    
process would be carried out  through the advisory committee                                                                    
to  bring   awareness  of   operational  costs   and  safety                                                                    
considerations of the project.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:25:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson  referred  to  Operating  Alaska's                                                                    
Infrastructure on  slide 4 and  inquired about the  Snow and                                                                    
Ice  Management listing.  He reported  that Anchorage  had 3                                                                    
major snowstorms  that shut down  the city in 2022.  He knew                                                                    
that  snow  removal  was  part   of  DOTs   Maintenance  and                                                                    
Operations section.  He asked if  DOT had received  a larger                                                                    
appropriation was  there enough staff and  equipment to have                                                                    
assisted Anchorage  better. Commissioner  Anderson responded                                                                    
that additional  resources were  needed to  properly address                                                                    
such problems  and increase levels of  service. He explained                                                                    
that the department used a  priority ranking system of roads                                                                    
from number 1  to 4 that was based on  how quickly the roads                                                                    
could  be cleared  after a  storm event.  The more  plows in                                                                    
service the  quicker priority  2 and  higher roads  could be                                                                    
cleared. The  department had done more  contracting out when                                                                    
vacancies  were high,  which was  problematic  at times.  He                                                                    
perceived  that  additional   resources  and  funding  would                                                                    
enable DOT to work through its priority system effectively.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:27:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Coulombe  referenced slide  3 and  asked what                                                                    
the Public Building  Fund was. Mr. Pannone  answered that it                                                                    
was a   sinking fund   for specific state  office buildings.                                                                    
The  fund  was  previously  managed  by  the  Department  of                                                                    
Administration until  the prior budget cycle.  He elaborated                                                                    
that the  department collected fees for  the maintenance and                                                                    
operations  of state  buildings and  to depreciate  building                                                                    
improvements  it made,  which  allowed DOT  to reinvest  for                                                                    
current  and  deferred  maintenance needs  of  state  office                                                                    
buildings.  Representative Coulombe  asked for  an estimated                                                                    
balance of the fund. She wondered  if the fund could be used                                                                    
for other  expenses. Mr.  Pannone would  follow up  with the                                                                    
balance  and  replied in  the  affirmative  adding that  the                                                                    
legislature could appropriate the funds in any manner.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:28:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pannone continued on slide 5 titled Commodities:                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Since  the pandemic,  highway  construction costs  have                                                                    
     increased  16.8%. The  components of  this index  align                                                                    
     and  closely with  elements  of  highway maintenance  &                                                                    
     operations.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     FY2022 saw fuel increases of $2/gallon on average,                                                                         
     creating a $1.4M increase fuel costs for facilities                                                                        
     and $3.9M in fuel for equipment.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pannone  discussed that one challenge  for the operating                                                                    
budget was  the cost  increases for commodities.  He pointed                                                                    
to the graph showing the  amount budgeted for commodities by                                                                    
department  that demonstrated  DOT  purchased a  significant                                                                    
amount  especially  when  compared  to  other  agencies.  He                                                                    
pointed  to  the  graph  on  the  right  that  depicted  the                                                                    
National Highway  Construction Cost  Index. He  offered that                                                                    
since  the pandemic,  highway  construction costs  increased                                                                    
16.8 percent,  which correlated to  the increased  costs for                                                                    
DOTs   maintenance  and  operations and  had  a  significant                                                                    
impact. He listed some of  the commodities that were needed:                                                                    
equipment,   lighting,  signals,   signs,  guardrails,   raw                                                                    
materials, etc. amounting to $23  million for commodities in                                                                    
the maintenance and operations budget alone.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson  commented that  she received a  phone call                                                                    
from a  road construction contractor.  He was trying  to bid                                                                    
on projects and there were a  number of places that were not                                                                    
even quoting prices yet because  materials were so unstable.                                                                    
She  asked how  that would  affect the  construction season.                                                                    
Commissioner  Anderson  answered  that  he  had  heard  from                                                                    
contractors   that   things   were  getting   tougher.   The                                                                    
department   constantly  bid  out   contracts   and  he  had                                                                    
observed increased bid prices,  which rose with uncertainty.                                                                    
He mentioned  alternative procurement methods  like bringing                                                                    
in  the contractor  earlier during  the  design and  working                                                                    
together  on   timelines  and   supply  chain   issues.  The                                                                    
department was focusing on the issue.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson referenced slide  5 and added that the                                                                    
weather was  also a major  factor affecting  the commodities                                                                    
budget.  The department  was having  to do  more to  help in                                                                    
extreme weather  conditions. The  department was  also doing                                                                    
some  things  to bring  costs  down,  such as  removing  old                                                                    
sodium  streetlights across  the  state  and replacing  them                                                                    
with  LED  lights  for  a significant  savings  and  he  was                                                                    
considering  switching to  electric vehicles  where it  made                                                                    
sense.                                                                                                                          
2:33:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson  advanced to  slide 6  titled  Vacancy                                                                    
Rates:                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Vacancy Rates* for Highways & Aviation LTC Positions:                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
         Annual rate, sampled monthly for calendar year                                                                      
          2022.                                                                                                                 
         Constantly changing.                                                                                                
         Only one part of the staffing challenges.                                                                           
         Doesn't   capture    turnover,   other   absences,                                                                  
          experience.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson  voiced that the vacancy  rate was one                                                                    
of the  most significant  challenges facing  the department.                                                                    
He pointed  to the charts  that showed the vacancy  state by                                                                    
the  3 DOT  regions.  He  observed that  not  all areas  had                                                                    
staffing challenges, yet other had  very high rates up to 50                                                                    
percent.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:34:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp referred  to the  Dillingham and  King                                                                    
Salmon  locations and  noted they  were listed  in different                                                                    
regions on  the slide. He  asked what the reason  was behind                                                                    
having the two locations  in different regions. Commissioner                                                                    
Anderson responded that DOT  defined the regional boundaries                                                                    
and implemented  a change  in the  regions roughly  10 years                                                                    
ago. The change resulted in  reducing the Central Region and                                                                    
spread the  Southcoast Region into Southwest  Alaska and the                                                                    
Aleutians.  He  was  a  big   advocate  for  working  across                                                                    
boundaries  when  warranted.  Representative  Stapp  thought                                                                    
there was  a geographic hole  on the map  because Dillingham                                                                    
was between  King Salmon and  other communities. He  did not                                                                    
understand the boundaries.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Pannone interposed  that the  northern region  extended                                                                    
the length of  the state, which was due to  the pipeline and                                                                    
included all  roads that  ran parallel  to the  pipeline. He                                                                    
acknowledged that   it could be  misleading  to see  some of                                                                    
the locations in the Northern Region.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:36:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan  pointed  to slide  6   Aviation  LTC                                                                    
Positions  and  asked what it meant.  Mr. Anderson responded                                                                    
that  it was  an acronym  for  the Labor  Trades and  Crafts                                                                    
union   who  worked   for   both   highways  and   aviation.                                                                    
Representative   Hannan  asked   if   there  were   aviation                                                                    
positions that  were not labor  trades and  crafts positions                                                                    
listed  on the  slide.  Commissioner  Anderson replied  that                                                                    
some aviation  positions were in the  Supervisory or General                                                                    
Government units. He  added that in rural  Alaska there were                                                                    
contractors that maintained rural airports.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:37:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Cronk noted that  half of the Northern Region                                                                    
was  in  his district.  He  pointed  to  Birch Lake  with  3                                                                    
positions  and no  vacancies and  Northway with  5 positions                                                                    
and one  vacancy. He  wondered how the  two by  two schedule                                                                    
was working on the  Haul Road [Dalton Highway]. Commissioner                                                                    
Anderson replied  that it was successful  in keeping vacancy                                                                    
rates  down. Representative  Cronk  asked  what the  biggest                                                                    
factor  in  the  vacancy  rate  was.  Commissioner  Anderson                                                                    
responded that it  was tough to pinpoint, people  left for a                                                                    
number  of  reasons.  The  department  competed  for  higher                                                                    
paying seasonal  construction work, which was  a challenging                                                                    
situation.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:39:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  calculated that DOT  currently had                                                                    
the resources to  hire 53 additional staff  in the Fairbanks                                                                    
North  Star  Borough.  He   wanted  clarification  that  his                                                                    
assumption was correct.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pannone  responded that  the column  on the  left showed                                                                    
the number of  positions in the budget total  and the column                                                                    
on the left showed the vacancy rate.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:40:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Coulombe wanted  to determine  what happened                                                                    
in Anchorage  during the snowstorms.  She observed  that the                                                                    
vacancy rates  in Anchorage  were low.  She guessed  that it                                                                    
might have  been about the  amount of money  appropriated or                                                                    
whether the reason was the  amount of snow. She acknowledged                                                                    
that  staffing for  the municipality  was insufficient.  She                                                                    
relayed  that she  lived in  the Hillside  neighborhood. She                                                                    
asked if there was something  more that the department could                                                                    
have  done   to  prevent  the  road   debacle.  Commissioner                                                                    
Anderson responded  that the department was  not staffed for                                                                    
big storm events  and when they happen,  it worked overtime.                                                                    
He offered that  DOT had been working  arduously overtime to                                                                    
clear the  snow and state  roads often ended  into municipal                                                                    
roads  where it  was difficult  to track  the municipalitys                                                                     
priorities.   The   department   wanted   to   improve   its                                                                    
communication with the municipality.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:42:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson  continued on slide 7  titled  Vacancy                                                                    
Rates: Tracking.  He indicated  that the department received                                                                    
weekly  vacancy  rate  reports, tracked  trends,  and  acted                                                                    
proactively to  mitigate low  staffing levels.  He discussed                                                                    
the tools the department used  to offset low staffing levels                                                                    
by things like  flying in staff to rural  areas and enacting                                                                    
mission  critical   incentive  pay  to   encourage  position                                                                    
growth.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Johnson  expressed  a  perception  that  too  much                                                                    
funding was spent on administration,  and she asked what the                                                                    
best  way   was  to  go   about  appropriating   more  money                                                                    
exclusively  for   road  or  other   services.  Commissioner                                                                    
Anderson answered  that he always viewed  things by services                                                                    
provided. He  noted intent language  in the prior  year that                                                                    
wanted DOT to  ensure that its road  priorities were aligned                                                                    
with the  publics  expectations. He deferred  further answer                                                                    
to Mr. Pannone.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pannone added that the  highways and aviation components                                                                    
were  the  components  where  operators  and  services  were                                                                    
provided and  most of the  indirect support was  budgeted in                                                                    
other components.  He suggested appropriating more  money in                                                                    
the  highway and  aviation components,  which  would send  a                                                                    
message.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:45:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  asked  if one  of  the  departmental                                                                    
tools employed was training  younger people. She illuminated                                                                    
situations  where the  individual was  trained for  free and                                                                    
then  left for  higher pay  elsewhere. She  wondered if  the                                                                    
scenario  applied to  DOT.  Commissioner Anderson  responded                                                                    
that the  department was  currently  tackling   the training                                                                    
problem.  The  department   offered  a  Commercial  Driver's                                                                    
License (CDL)  scholarship program,  which could cost  up to                                                                    
$30 thousand.  Some of the  federal programs allowed  DOT to                                                                    
spend funding on  those types of programs.  He reported that                                                                    
there  had   been  some  success.  They   had  enacted  some                                                                    
strategies  in rural  Alaska like  hiring  a [road]  grading                                                                    
trainer  and  sent  him  to  rural  Alaska  to  offer  basic                                                                    
training. He was currently strongly  focused on training for                                                                    
entry    level   positions    for   the    Marine   Highway.                                                                    
Representative  Galvin asked  if  he was  doing anything  in                                                                    
particular  or  had  an  incentive  program  to  retain  the                                                                    
trained hires. Commissioner  Anderson replied that retention                                                                    
was a though problem to tackle.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:47:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Pannone continued  on slide  8 titled   Budget Scenario                                                                    
Comparisons,  which was a bar  graph that showed last year's                                                                    
actuals for FY 2022, the  current years  FY 2023 expenditure                                                                    
and the FY  24 request. He elucidated that  the final column                                                                    
showed the  magnitude of  the change  from the  current year                                                                    
and the requested budget. Each  year was broken down by fund                                                                    
group; the  orange represented the   Other  funding  and was                                                                    
largely duplicate  funds. He detailed that  $183 million was                                                                    
from  DOTs   capital   improvement  project  receipts,  $109                                                                    
million came from International  Airport Revenue Funds,  and                                                                    
$128  million  was  for shared  services  such  as  facility                                                                    
services  or statewide  equipment.  He pointed  to the  grey                                                                    
section of  the bar that  depicted Federal funding.  The two                                                                    
drivers  were for  the Alaska  Marine Highway  System (AMHS)                                                                    
and  Covid   relief  funding,  which  was   used  to  offset                                                                    
Undesignated General Fund (UGF).  Finally, the blue and gold                                                                    
sections of  the bar represented UGF  and Designated General                                                                    
Funds  (DGF). He  listed the  DGF funding:  motor fuel  tax,                                                                    
marine  highway  revenues,  program  receipts,  and  vehicle                                                                    
rental tax.  Overall, the  FY 24 request increased operation                                                                    
costs  by $35  million.  The increases  were  driven by  the                                                                    
AMHS,  the  international  airport system,  $8  million  for                                                                    
negotiated  salary  adjustments  and   a  small  amount  for                                                                    
maintenance and operations for highways and aviation.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:50:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Ortiz asked  whether  the slide  represented                                                                    
DOTs   overall   budget.  Mr.   Pannone  responded   in  the                                                                    
affirmative. Representative  Ortiz perceived that the  FY 24                                                                    
grey  bar   would  be  significantly   larger  due   to  the                                                                    
Infrastructure Investment  and Jobs Act (IIJA).  He wondered                                                                    
why  that  was not  the  case.  Mr. Pannone  responded  that                                                                    
federal funding in FY 22  was largely the COVID relief funds                                                                    
used to  forward fund  the ferry system  and offset  UGF. He                                                                    
delineated  that in  FY 23  and  FY 24  federal funding  was                                                                    
comprised of  the rural  ferry grant  program, part  of IIJA                                                                    
and  some continued  UGF  displacement.  The increases  from                                                                    
IIJA would largely be seen in the capital budget.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan asked about DGF  in FY 24 and matching                                                                    
funds from  farebox recovery or  tolls for IIJA  monies. She                                                                    
thought there would  be a decrease in DGF for  FY 24 because                                                                    
some  of the  toll revenue  would be  needed in  the capital                                                                    
budget  as match  for  IIJA federal  monies.  She noted  the                                                                    
anticipated increase  in DGF. Mr. Pannone  answered that the                                                                    
operational  increase for  the ferry  system budget  totaled                                                                    
$13  million  to maintain  the  level  of service  that  was                                                                    
budgeted  for.  The funding  was  coming  from ferry  system                                                                    
revenue. He  elaborated that the  toll credits  were credits                                                                    
for  prior dollars  spent on  capital improvements  and were                                                                    
being  used  in the  capital  budget  to match  the  capital                                                                    
grants. He maintained  that in the operating  budget UGF and                                                                    
DGF was used as matching funds  for the federal grant of $45                                                                    
million.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:55:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pannone advanced  to slide 9 titled   FY 2024 Governor's                                                                    
Amended:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Administration & Support                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
       Highway Safety Office $805.4 (CIP/OTHER)                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
    • Statewide Safety & Emergency Management, Program                                                                          
       Coordinator $150.0 (OTHER)                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     • Public Employee Retirement System (PERS) rates,                                                                          
       Health Insurance and Salary Increases $893.7 ($514.8                                                                     
       CIP/OTHER, $116.0 UGF)                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pannone  relayed that  the Highway  Safety Office  was a                                                                    
federally required  program under  Title 23. The  office was                                                                    
being given  its own component  and its focus was  to reduce                                                                    
traffic  accidents on  the roadways  and  public safety.  He                                                                    
cited the  second bullet and  noted that  it was also  a new                                                                    
component  focused  on   departmental  safety  training  and                                                                    
disaster  response. He  furthered that  the department  wide                                                                    
safety training  program created  by DOT was  implemented in                                                                    
2015 and  had reduced the departments   Workers Compensation                                                                    
claims by half, from $6  million to $3 million and continued                                                                    
the  downward trend  to under  $500  thousand in  FY 22.  In                                                                    
addition, the  component coordinated with the  Department of                                                                    
Military  and Veterans  Affairs  (DMVA)  for state  disaster                                                                    
response  and implemented  incident command  training, which                                                                    
was the DOT response to disasters and emergencies.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:57:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Anderson moved  to slide  10 and  continued to                                                                    
discuss the FY 24 governors amended budget:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Design, Engineering & Construction                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
          • Public Employee Retirement System (PERS) rates,                                                                     
            health insurance and salary increases $2.7M                                                                         
           (CIP/OTHER)                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          • Transfer of authority within Northern Region                                                                        
            for Public Information Officer $130.0                                                                               
            (CIP/OTHER)                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
          • FY2023: Combined "Northern Design, Engineering                                                                      
            & Construction Component."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson  offered that the component  was where                                                                    
the IIJA work was happening.  It was represented in the $1.6                                                                    
billion  capital   budget  as  project  delivery   that  was                                                                    
comprised of  in-house staff and contract  work. He reported                                                                    
that DOT was combining  closely related components to create                                                                    
increased administrative efficiency.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:58:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Pannone continued  with  the FY  24  budget request  on                                                                    
slide 11:                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
   Highway Aviation and Facilities                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
      Reversals of other one time federally funded swaps,                                                                    
        and Rural Airport Paint Striping                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
      Rural Aviation use of Federal COVID Relief Funds,                                                                      
        UGF swap $9.8M (FED)                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
      Commodities increases for road maintenance $1.3M                                                                       
        (UGF)                                                                                                                   
      Maintained increment for Chitna, Birch Lake,                                                                           
        Silvertip                                                                                                               
        $1.4M (UGF)                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
      King Salmon Airport federal authority $868.0 (FED)                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
      Maintained increment for ice roads $200.0 (UGF)                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
      Sitka Airport Fund Swap $350.0 (UGF), -$350.0 (IARF                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
      Wayside Maintenance Improvements $385.0 (UGF)                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
      Maintained Increment for Dalton 2x2 Shift $1.3M                                                                        
        (UGF)                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pannone elaborated that DOT  shared maintenance with the                                                                    
US Air  Force for the  King Salmon Airport.  The arrangement                                                                    
was recently renegotiated, and it  was agreed that DOT would                                                                    
pay the  maintenance costs upfront  and the Air  Force would                                                                    
reimburse the department.  He pointed out that  the ice road                                                                    
increment was  added last  year by  the legislature  and the                                                                    
department  was moving  it into  its base  budget. He  noted                                                                    
that  Sitka  was  no  longer   designated  as  an  emergency                                                                    
diversion   airport  and   was  not   eligible  to   receive                                                                    
international  airport  revenue  funds and  the  funds  were                                                                    
replaced with UGF.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Anderson   interjected  that   the  department                                                                    
wanted to improve its wayside  maintenance and upkeep on its                                                                    
facilities. He  noted the importance of  keeping the Chitna,                                                                    
Birch Lake, and Silvertip maintenance camps open.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:01:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Anderson  further   discussed  the  governors                                                                     
budget request on slide 12:                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Facilities Services                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     • Facilities Services & Leases was reduced from six to                                                                     
       two components                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     • Public Employee Retirement System (PERS) rates,                                                                          
       health insurance and salary increases $538.0 (OTHER)                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Anderson reported that  facilities was a shared                                                                    
service  and  reiterated  his commitment  to  administrative                                                                    
efficiencies   and  providing   better   service  to   other                                                                    
agencies. He delegated more  construction authority to other                                                                    
agencies and provided training in procurement.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:02:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pannone continued  to address the FY 24  budget on slide                                                                    
13:                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Statewide Equipment Fleet                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     • Public Employee Retirement System (PERS) rates,                                                                          
       health insurance and salary Increases $587.0 (OTHER)                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     • 1 additional non-perm mechanic $64.0 (OTHER)                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pannone  mentioned that statewide equipment  was another                                                                    
shared  service  funded  by the  Highway  Equipment  Working                                                                    
Capital  Fund, which  was a  duplicate fund.  The department                                                                    
paid for  80 percent of  the costs, while the  Department of                                                                    
Public Safety  (DPS) State Troopers were  the second largest                                                                    
customer  carrying   8  percent   of  the  costs,   and  the                                                                    
Department of  Natural Resources and the  Department of Fish                                                                    
and Game (DFG) combined made up  5 percent of the costs. The                                                                    
remainder from other departments was minimal.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pannone  underlined the next  RDU from the FY  24 budget                                                                    
request on slide 14:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     International Airport System                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
              Funding for 25 new positions to meet                                                                           
               business needs $2.7M (IARF/OTHER)                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
              Business   operations    and   administration                                                                  
               expenses $463.1 (IARF/OTHER)                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
              Contracted snow removal outside of tarmac                                                                      
               and airfield and operational areas $450.0                                                                        
               (IARF/OTHER)                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
              Mission critical incentive pay for Emergency                                                                   
               Services Dispatch, Maintenance Specialists,                                                                      
               Equipment Operators $3.7M (IARF/OTHER)                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
              Commodities & energy cost Increases $3.9M                                                                      
               (IARF/OTHER)                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Pannone indicated  that the  system was  funded through                                                                    
the International Airport Revenue  Fund (IARF) and was self-                                                                    
supporting  through its  rates and  fees. The  international                                                                    
airport  system  experienced  increased  traffic  up  by  30                                                                    
percent since  2019, therefore were  requesting commensurate                                                                    
funding  authority  to  meet  the  demands  of  the  airport                                                                    
industry.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:05:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Anderson  added  that  there  was  a   vacancy                                                                    
challenge   at the  Anchorage International  Airport in  the                                                                    
prior  summer   and  fall  and  utilized   mission  critical                                                                    
incentive pay, which  mitigated the problem and  paid off by                                                                    
having   sufficient  staff   when  the   massive  snowstorms                                                                    
arrived. He noted that the  Fairbanks and Anchorage airports                                                                    
were  a  system  and  some  of the  new  positions  were  in                                                                    
Fairbanks  to   maintain  its  support  for   the  Anchorage                                                                    
airport.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:06:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan referred to  slide 13 and inquired why                                                                    
the  additional  mechanic   was  a  non-permanent  position.                                                                    
Commissioner Anderson responded that  the position was for a                                                                    
summer seasonal service worker. He  added that DOT had a lot                                                                    
of  full-time mechanic  positions  open and  wanted to  fill                                                                    
them. Representative Hannan asked if  they could be hired as                                                                    
a seasonal permanent position. Mr.  Pannone responded in the                                                                    
affirmative. He  furthered that that instead  of permanently                                                                    
adding  positions that  were  needed  in certain  locations,                                                                    
they added a non-permanent position  that was often moved to                                                                    
another  lateral   permanent  position  as  a   way  of  not                                                                    
increasing the number of positions unnecessarily.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Johnson  asked  about  the  International  Airport                                                                    
System increase from 2019. She  wondered how the COVID years                                                                    
played  a  role  in   the  increase.  Commissioner  Anderson                                                                    
answered  that the  additional  positions reflected  current                                                                    
needs and offered to provide the comparison information.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:10:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  asked  about  the  mission  critical                                                                    
incentive pay  and asked for more  information. She wondered                                                                    
if  it was  additional  pay or  incentive  pay for  existing                                                                    
employees.  Commissioner   Anderson  replied  that   it  was                                                                    
offered as  an incentive for  existing employees or  for new                                                                    
hires when  trying to attract employees.  He emphasized that                                                                    
it was  only offered  when DOTs   mission was  threatened by                                                                    
very  high vacancy  rates. The  Anchorage airport  incentive                                                                    
pay was 20 percent and  the vacancy rate stayed flat through                                                                    
the  prior  summer.  The  department   increased  it  to  30                                                                    
percent, which  was successful in attracting  candidates and                                                                    
lowered the vacancy rates. He  noted that DOT needed to have                                                                    
the additional funding and negotiate  with the unions before                                                                    
implementing incentive pay.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:11:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Cronk  referenced  equipment  purchases  and                                                                    
asked what  the price  of graders and  plow trucks  were and                                                                    
how  it  worked.  Commissioner Anderson  answered  that  the                                                                    
price  changed  often,  and  it was  difficult  to  give  an                                                                    
estimate and  the timeframes could  be long. The  amount for                                                                    
equipment was budgeted  and DOT worked via  contracts to try                                                                    
to procure  the best prices.  He offered to  provide further                                                                    
information  on costs.  Representative  Cronk mentioned  the                                                                    
roads from  Tok to  Fairbanks and  listed the  Gerstel River                                                                    
Bridge and Johnson  River bridge. He asked if  they were the                                                                    
two  oldest  trestle  style  bridges   left  in  the  state.                                                                    
Commissioner  Anderson  was  uncertain  and  responded  that                                                                    
there were a  lot of old bridges in the  state. He confirmed                                                                    
that they  were World  War Two era  bridges and  were slated                                                                    
for  replacement.   He  noted   that  they   were  currently                                                                    
structurally  safe.  Representative   Cronk  identified  the                                                                    
Robinson River Bridge and remarked  on the narrowness of the                                                                    
bridge. He asked whether it  was considered for replacement.                                                                    
Commissioner Anderson  affirmed  that the  bridge was narrow                                                                    
and listed for replacement.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:14:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson asked  if  the  three prior  named                                                                    
bridges were  selected for replacement  because of  the Manh                                                                    
Cho  Project.  Commissioner   Anderson  responded  that  the                                                                    
bridges  had been  on  DOTs replacement  list  prior to  the                                                                    
project but had reprioritized  its list to consider economic                                                                    
development in the area.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:15:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Pannone  concluded with  the  FY  25 governors   budget                                                                    
request on slide 15:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska Marine Highway System (CY 2024)                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
         Budgeted for consistent service levels to                                                                           
          communities throughout the year.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
         Increases in operational costs $13.5M (AMHS                                                                         
          Revenue / DGF)                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
         Federal Backfill Language, Marine Highway System                                                                    
          Fund, HB 39 Sec. 20                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Pannone reported  that the  AMHS budget  was calculated                                                                    
for a  calendar year and  was based on the  current calendar                                                                    
year  2023 budget.  The significant  increase was  funded at                                                                    
$13.5  million  in  farebox  receipts.  He  added  that  $10                                                                    
million   of  the   increase  was   related  to   collective                                                                    
bargaining increases, $2.7 million  were projected fuel cost                                                                    
increases,  and  there  were increases  in  employee  travel                                                                    
expenses. He  referenced the budget breakout  by fund source                                                                    
and pointed to Federal and UGF  funds, that was based on the                                                                    
amount the  legislature appropriated in the  prior year; $83                                                                    
million slated for the Rural  Ferry Grant Program created in                                                                    
IIJA.  He elaborated  that currently  DOT only  received $45                                                                    
million of the operating grant.  He based the federal amount                                                                    
by what  was set  by the  legislature and  included backfill                                                                    
language  stating that  if the  department was  unsuccessful                                                                    
when working  with the Federal Transit  Administration (FTA)                                                                    
and Alaskas   Congressional delegation in obtaining  all $83                                                                    
million,  DOT  could  access Fairbox  receipts  to  backfill                                                                    
funding.                                                                                                                        
Commissioner  Andersons spoke  to the  recruiting challenges                                                                    
with AMHS.  The system  could not operate  all of  its ships                                                                    
because  there  were  not enough  employees.  The  situation                                                                    
would be  evident in the  upcoming 2023 summer  schedule. He                                                                    
stressed that  the department was examining  all its options                                                                    
to ensure it would provide the best service as possible.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:18:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Ortiz  pointed to  the first bullet  point on                                                                    
slide 15  relating to  providing consistent  yearly service.                                                                    
He remarked  that would  include operating  9 ships  but the                                                                    
plan  was to  only  run  six ships  even  though the  budget                                                                    
allowed  for   nine.  He  asked  whether   he  was  correct.                                                                    
Commissioner  Anderson  answered   in  the  affirmative.  He                                                                    
acknowledged that  operating 6  ships was the  current level                                                                    
of  service  and  that  was  what  he  was   shooting  for.                                                                     
Representative  Ortiz asked  if the  best scenario  would be                                                                    
six. Commissioner Anderson responded  in the affirmative and                                                                    
voiced  that with  the current  staffing  levels the  system                                                                    
would  operate  6  ships. Representative  Ortiz  asked  what                                                                    
happened  to the  excess  money, when  they  budgeted for  9                                                                    
ships but operated 6. Commissioner  Anderson deferred to Mr.                                                                    
Pannone  for the  answer but  mentioned that  the department                                                                    
was  attempting to  provide basic  supplemental services  to                                                                    
communities, which added to its costs.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pannone clarified  that the budget was for  10 months in                                                                    
the  future, and  he was  hopeful that  the situation  would                                                                    
improve. He furthered that in  FY 2021 the AMHS was budgeted                                                                    
for roughly $108  million, but due to  COVID restrictions it                                                                    
spent $96  million, and the  remaining funds lapsed.  In the                                                                    
present situation, UGF or DGF  (farebox funds) funding would                                                                    
remain in the system  revenue funds for future appropriation                                                                    
if  unexpended. Representative  Ortiz  wanted to  understand                                                                    
the fundamental issue of why  the AMHS was unable to provide                                                                    
the  budgeted level  of service.  He observed  vacancy rates                                                                    
for airports and highways but  not for the AMHS. Mr. Pannone                                                                    
responded  that  the  marine   highway  system  managed  its                                                                    
personnel  differently  in  its exclusive  system  used  for                                                                    
staffing  due to  requirements for  personnel  being fit  to                                                                    
sail and  the availability  of relief positions.  He offered                                                                    
to provide more information.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner   Anderson  offered   to  provide   information                                                                    
regarding the  number of positions necessary  to operate the                                                                    
ships.  He emphasized  that the  system was  lacking skilled                                                                    
positions. He  acknowledged that the ships  had been running                                                                    
with minimal relief, which put more stress on the crews.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:24:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan asked  about the DGF line  on slide 15                                                                    
that showed zero reporting in  fairbox recovery in the FY 23                                                                    
management  plan and  $13.5  million in  the  FY 24  amended                                                                    
budget. She asked  what happened to the  fairbox recovery in                                                                    
FY 23 and whether it represented operating 6 ships.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pannone responded that in  FY 23 the legislature removed                                                                    
the  fairbox receipts  from the  budget.  The receipts  were                                                                    
appropriated  in the  capital budget  for the  annual vessel                                                                    
overhaul for approximately $20 million.  He pointed out that                                                                    
currently,  the revenue  fund balance  was  $20 million  and                                                                    
would  continue  to  increase as  the  year  progressed.  He                                                                    
offered to provide the projections for FY 24.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:25:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Cronk  recounted  that  two  of  the  newest                                                                    
ferries were  not being  used and he  wondered if  money was                                                                    
appropriated   to   operate  them.   Commissioner   Anderson                                                                    
answered  that Representative  Cronk  was  referring to  the                                                                    
Alaska Class Ferries. He indicated  that the M/V Hubbard was                                                                    
near completion  of the  work to  install crew  quarters and                                                                    
should  be running  by May  1,  2023. The  Tazlina had  been                                                                    
operating as  a fill  in vessel. He  emphasized that  if the                                                                    
system was fully staffed both ships would be running.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:27:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Ortiz  mentioned the  crew issue for  the new                                                                    
ships and  inquired if both  were not fully  operational due                                                                    
to the  staffing issues.  He asked  whether he  was correct.                                                                    
Commissioner   Anderson   replied    in   the   affirmative.                                                                    
Representative  Ortiz wondered  how  scheduling worked  with                                                                    
low  staffing.   Commissioner  Anderson  replied   that  the                                                                    
scheduling had  been challenging. He related  that AMHS took                                                                    
into  consideration the  many events  in SE  Alaska and  DOT                                                                    
issued  a draft  schedule for  public comment.  In addition,                                                                    
many other  factors weighed into  scheduling. Representative                                                                    
Ortiz asked  if those  in charge  of scheduling  remained in                                                                    
charge. Commissioner  Anderson answered  that it was  a team                                                                    
approach. He noted  that recently the AMHS  received a civil                                                                    
rights  review  from   the  Federal  Highway  Administration                                                                    
(FHWA) because it believed that  some factors were missed or                                                                    
undocumented  when providing  services  to communities.  The                                                                    
commissioners  office  worked with the scheduling  team, and                                                                    
all  attempted  to  do  its  best  to  provide  services  to                                                                    
Alaskans. Representative Ortiz asked  if the scheduling team                                                                    
had recently  changed. Commissioner Anderson replied  in the                                                                    
negative.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:30:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Tomaszewski  referenced slide 14  and pointed                                                                    
to  the  contracted  snow  removal  outside  of  tarmac  and                                                                    
airfield increment  of $450 million.  He asked if  there was                                                                    
an equal  decrement to  balance the  increment. He  asked if                                                                    
DOT  utilized contracted  services for  wayside maintenance.                                                                    
Commissioner  Anderson responded  that it  was difficult  to                                                                    
make those  types of comparisons. Typically,  when they were                                                                    
struggling  to  meet  a  service,   DOT  paid  overtime  for                                                                    
existing staff  and were  burning out  employees. Therefore,                                                                    
contracting was  used as a   relief valve.  He tried  to use                                                                    
contracting services  where it  worked best.  The department                                                                    
was  unable to  make  the correlation  between a  contracted                                                                    
amount and not spending the  same amount elsewhere. He noted                                                                    
that contractors had different  rate structures, and DOT had                                                                    
to bid  for contractor services. The  department did account                                                                    
for overtime rates and vacancy rates, etc.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:32:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Johnson  reviewed  the agenda  for  the  following                                                                    
day's meeting.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
DOT&PF - HFIN Budget Overview - FINAL 2023.02.27 -.pdf HFIN 2/27/2023 1:30:00 PM
HB 39